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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-November-2005 at 10:55
And the work will have a pan-European warranty.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-November-2005 at 10:58
what do you mean?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-November-2005 at 03:19
a dealer repair is warrantied across the network, whereas, an indie repair is only warrantied by them - not much good if you had a repair done in Southampton and then it goes wrong in Huddersfield, Paris or somewhere far afield.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-November-2005 at 07:03
got car back last night, £505 all in, which included new antifreeze, thermostat, cam sensor, all sorts of checks, wiring checks and tests and check of the actual block for head gasket leak, all done and dusted and im now £1500 better off as i had the £2k ready to pay! one happy bunny! thing is i havent really drove it properly yet but didnt seem as powerfull when i drove it back last night, so ill go out today and see for myself!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-November-2005 at 13:53

Originally posted by sevenforty sevenforty wrote:

got car back last night, £505 all in, which included new antifreeze, thermostat, cam sensor, all sorts of checks, wiring checks and tests and check of the actual block for head gasket leak, all done and dusted and im now £1500 better off as i had the £2k ready to pay! one happy bunny! thing is i havent really drove it properly yet but didnt seem as powerfull when i drove it back last night, so ill go out today and see for myself!

Hmmmm sounds to me like you have blown your headgasket on the way back

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-November-2005 at 06:55
Head gasket problems do not make the car less powerfull unless it misfires!!. I now think the dealer was right.
One has to remember that these cars run very very hot due to Computer controlled thermostat. (mine runs up to 113 degrees with new thermostat). This means traditional tests (eg rev engine with rad cap off) can falsly show up as either/both bad thermostat or/and bad headgasket.

As for power they probably reset the computer adaption. Or maybe the computer has to adapt to the new thermostat and cam sensor.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-November-2005 at 18:11

Originally posted by andrewthompson andrewthompson wrote:

Head gasket problems do not make the car less powerfull unless it misfires!!. I now think the dealer was right.
One has to remember that these cars run very very hot due to Computer controlled thermostat. (mine runs up to 113 degrees with new thermostat). This means traditional tests (eg rev engine with rad cap off) can falsly show up as either/both bad thermostat or/and bad headgasket.

As for power they probably reset the computer adaption. Or maybe the computer has to adapt to the new thermostat and cam sensor.

As Scotty in Star Trek Once said "....Och the more they complecate the plumbing, the easyier it is to stuff up the works..."

I bet that £300 E23 is looking better by the minute

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-November-2005 at 08:35
As for the £300 E23, I also have an E23 which i have owned for many years and I can now say that it is a better long term proposition than the E38!! will ever be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-November-2005 at 13:38
Originally posted by andrewthompson andrewthompson wrote:

As for the £300 E23, I
also have an E23 which i have owned for many years


Very sorry to hear that. I had mine removed on the
NHS.
E23 was an averagely okay car 27 years ago, today
it's a nightmare of rust, electrical problems, corroded
heads, knackered suspension, poor fuel economy
and generally dogginess. I cannot for the life of me
think why anybody would want one when you can buy
a decent E32 for £500.

Sorry, but give me an E38 anyday.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-November-2005 at 14:24

Originally posted by Drew540i Drew540i wrote:

Originally posted by andrewthompson andrewthompson wrote:

As for the £300 E23, I
also have an E23 which i have owned for many years


Very sorry to hear that. I had mine removed on the
NHS.
E23 was an averagely okay car 27 years ago, today
it's a nightmare of rust, electrical problems, corroded
heads, knackered suspension, poor fuel economy
and generally dogginess
. I cannot for the life of me
think why anybody would want one when you can buy
a decent E32 for £500.

Sorry, but give me an E38 anyday.

Rust?  Better than most

lecies: No, usually work, just a bit slower

Heads: Only if you dont change Anti Freeze

Suspention: Yes, but again no worse than most

Fuel ? No Surprisingly good considering size&weight.

Not that I'm saying an e23 is better than the later BMs of course not, but those repair bills are eyewatering, partly due to the very complex nature of the cars.

My point is with all this extra complexity do you

A: Get a much better car ? &

B: Get a car that is a lot cheaper to run ?

I suspect not.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-November-2005 at 16:46

Originally posted by Drew540i Drew540i wrote:

E23 was an averagely okay car 27 years ago, today it's a nightmare of rust, electrical problems, corroded
heads, knackered suspension, poor fuel economy
and generally dogginess...

E23 bashing again? Dont you get bored?

Oh, and I've got an E24 that's Really old - go on, have a pop, you know you want to.

And so says Jimbob.
1981 635csi 81k miles. Will be fixed, but not by me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-December-2005 at 07:50
Scenario

1 Buy e23 in very good condition
£300 to £1000 pounds

Spend £1000 per year on matainence you will have a car for life

2 Buy e38 £2k to £12k spend £1000 per year -- you will have to scrap it after a few years when the alloy motor overheats or the transmission fails... Your 1000 will be used up and you will be out of budget.

I have one of each and the e38 is more troubblesome dispite age/lower mileage and the e38 740 uses more fuel than the old 83 735!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-December-2005 at 12:01
Sorry, an E23 is the four wheeled equivalent of a
black and white telly. Spending £1000 a year on an
E23 is flushing good money down the toilet.

Why would you scrap an E38 when the gearbox
fails? A good used one is around £500. Comments
like that don't stack up after advocating wasting
£1000 every year keeping some hopeless relic on
the roads. Of course E38's go wrong - what car
doesn't? But the E38 is still one of the best cars on
the roads which, with some careful maintenance
(changing the auto trans oil every 30k for example),
will always be a nice car - great to drive, great to look
at.

Jim Bob - the difference between an E23 and an E24
is that when new, the 6 Series was an object of lust.
The E23 was just a big ugly saloon. Go figure!

BTW I ran four of five E23's as daily hacks when they
were worthless old bangers.......hang on a minute......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-December-2005 at 12:07
I should add that I bought a 1986 735iSE Auto (last
E23) a couple of weeks ago for £50 because it had a
set of BBS split rims. Took it to a local scrapyard and
dumped it off then posted up about all the good bits
it had - the bumpers, doors and wings were perfect
for example. It's just rubbish to me but I had hoped
someone would go up and strip all the good bits off.
Needless to say it got crushed last week (complete)
so where are these '£1000 a year' owners?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-December-2005 at 12:29

Originally posted by Drew540i Drew540i wrote:

I should add that I bought a 1986 735iSE Auto (last
E23) a couple of weeks ago for £50 because it had a
set of BBS split rims. Took it to a local scrapyard and
dumped it off then posted up about all the good bits
it had - the bumpers, doors and wings were perfect
for example. It's just rubbish to me but I had hoped
someone would go up and strip all the good bits off.
Needless to say it got crushed last week (complete)
so where are these '£1000 a year' owners?

The trouble is that all E23 spares always seem to be miles away. I was offered a E23 with full leather but i had to transport it from South coast to north Midlands. too much money.

However if anyone has two ABS sensors for the rear of a E23 I'd be interested.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-December-2005 at 16:38
Originally posted by Drew540i Drew540i wrote:

Originally posted by andrewthompson andrewthompson wrote:

As for the £300 E23, I
also have an E23 which i have owned for many years


I cannot for the life of me
think why anybody would want one when you can buy
a decent E32 for £500.

Sorry, but give me an E38 anyday.


The reason why Andy is that they want to! These cars are not just about the money that is required to do whatever they want it to do, but the enjoyment they get from doing it! When you read the magazines about mr whatever spending £4k restoring his Grandads old Allegro, most would say why, but he did it because he wanted to, and not because of the money he was hoping to make or waste!

Quite a few owners actually buy this type of car and keep for years, not because it makes financial sense but because they enjoy the car, and don't compare it to a cheap e38 or 32 that they could buy. Maybe, and just maybe, some people don't like the e32 or the e38?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-December-2005 at 17:43
Christ..................

the inference here was 'don't buy an E38 when you
can have an E23 instead'.

Yeah, righto - and 'no thanks'.

As for people spending £4000 on an Allegro - well,
some folks are born to be poor and stay that way by
wasting money on rubbish and never moving up the
ladder.

I believe Pete has sold about £800 worth of bits from
the £150 325i..............now THAT'S being smart, and
I'm exactly the same. That's why I don't own an E23.


With good high mileage E38's now down to £2000,
pumping money into an E23* is just a fool's game.




*with the exception of an Alpina B10 or a 745i.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-December-2005 at 13:13
well to a point I agree when you look at financial outlays, but since when does financial outlay ever hinder people who own the 'older car'?

Glad Pete made use of the 325i, I would have had it, but I have no space nor the time to break them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-December-2005 at 16:55
Well I suppose so - it's just that an E23 isn't old
enough to be an 'old car' in my eyes. It's just a
secondhand car to me I'm afraid.

This year a mate and I rescued a 1966 Morris 1100
(Hiabboy will have a fit). Restored 7 years ago with
all new wings and things it was passed down to the
owner's son's family who ruined it - the wife reversed
it into a post damaging the rear wing and one of
them ran it out of oil, ruining the crank. So another
£50 car later, and engine swap was done, the rear
wings repaired and some paintwork done. Total cost
about £350 (and a lot of hours).

Not content with that, another one was bought for
£100 but this, like so many 1100's was absolutely
rotten - shame because it was a genuine 30'000
mile car. The answer to this came in the form of a
blue 1300 Automatic the same year and colour with
a very good shell but a slight engine problem
(number 3 conrod had let go, smashing the block
and the gearbox - the gearbox actually fell off when it
was all lifted out )
So over the period of 3 months the 30'000 miler was
'reshelled' into the good body, given a £30 lick of
paint down one side and roof and it's about ready to
go.

The thing is though, the 1100/1300, whilst hardly in
the Pebble Beach league looks and feels and
smells like an old car - bounding along at 55 with
Hydrolastic bouncy castle suspension, geartrain
whining away and all to the whiff of sixties BMC vinyl.
Whilst it was as badly made and rustprone as all the
other British scrap around back then it does
represent a real effort to advance the motor car like
Citroen did. People are genuinely glad/amused to
see it on the road. You get people interviewing you.
Hell, I even got a wave from a cracking bit of stuff in a
Minor 1000 :-)

Now THAT's what owning an old car is about!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2005 at 17:41
I can see the attraction of an 1100, I must admit as I too owned and really enjoyed an Austin 1300GT I had many years back, 1 owner car and it flew.
If I can find another in 'reasonable' condition I might well 'invest' in it again!
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