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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2005 at 07:50
Few and far between now Andy. I can remember my
Dad buying one in 1984 for it's engine to go into a
Mini. It was Glacier white 1969 GT (TOF 135H) with
all the funky go faster GT bits. It cost £60, low
mileage 2 owner car with a rusty rear heelboard
(where the rear subframe bolts in). Apart from that it
really was a minter with perfect panels and an
unmarked interior.
Over one weekend it was stripped, chopped into the
three sections and taken to the dump.
Even at the time it was almost 'too good to scrap'
and these days it would be well worth repairing.

When I think back to all the cars in scrapyards 20
years ago - Series 1 XJ6's, quite few 2002 and E3
saloons, decent Mark 1 Escorts and of course plenty
of 1100's!

The best one was Cross Keys Motor Salvage in
Somerset - I can picture now the row of Jaguar Mark
11/S Type/420 saloons and one fixed head E Type
(this would have been around 1981), all waiting for
the crusher.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-December-2005 at 06:34
Yearr.. I like to throw the cat into the pigeons!!

But in my opinion a post 83 (facelift) e23 735 is a much better car than most of you think. The facelift fixed most of the bad e23 things. As long as you throw away the TRX!!. My e38 740 is better but I doubt can make it live as long as my e23 did!!

As for e32 well, they do not rust but everyting else falls off...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-December-2005 at 13:33
Such as?

The E32 was a massive improvement, the first big
BMW Mercedes Benz didn't laugh at.

Advantages;

1.) They just never seem to need welding.

2.) They got rid of that appalling hydraulic brake
booster rubbish that blighted the E23 and E28.

3.) Cruise at 100 mph without all that bloody
windnoise from the screen pillars.

4.) A proper luxury car ride. The E23 was never very
good at this and no amount of buffalo leather and
electric goodies could disguise the fact that several
humdrum French saloon cars (Renault 20, Pug 505)
rode much, much better. The Jaguars were just in
another league altogether.

5.) Decent aerodynamics. I never had an E23 that
could even approach 30 mpg whereas the 730i I
drive can just about do it on a motorway run.

The E23 was (and is) a very ordinary car with no
really special features, just a lot of goodies tacked
on. The E32 still stands up today as a very
competent car - and it's 20 years old next year.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-December-2005 at 05:08
Hi,

Yes I do actually agree with most of you you say here. However the e23 has to be compared with other cars of its age. It took the Australians until about 95 to come out with anything better in their big cars!!! The ride does improve with modern wheels and tyres. I did have to replace a seal in the break hydrolic servo. I still think the handelling was a little better than the e32. In a few months time I will be on holiday in New Zealand where I will be driving my e23 again. Maybe my judgement will be redressed!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-December-2005 at 12:19
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5.) Decent aerodynamics. I never had an E23 that
could even approach 30 mpg whereas the 730i I
drive can just about do it on a motorway run.

I regularly get 30MPG on the Mway, 20 MPG around town. Did you drive with the handbrake on ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-December-2005 at 16:24
Originally posted by Selephant Selephant wrote:

[QUOTE=Drew540i]5.) Decent
aerodynamics. I never had an E23 that could even
approach 30 mpg whereas the 730i I drive can just
about do it on a motorway run. I regularly get 30MPG
on the Mway, 20 MPG around town. Did you drive with
the handbrake on ?


Wow. You must be big and strong to push an E23
along a motorway hard shoulder. That's the only way
one of those things will ever do 30 mpg - stop
kidding yourself!

BMW OFFICIAL FIGURES:

MPG at constant 56 mph = 28 mpg
MPG at constant 75 mph = 23.7mpg

So, how do you get 30 mpg?? Is your house on the
top of a hill or something?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-December-2005 at 16:32
I found the government tests as well - 21.8 mpg at
75 mph, overall 18.3 mpg, 21 mpg 'touring'
consumption. Autocar had their Automatic 735i down
as 17.3 mpg overall, 'What Car's' 735iA did 23.7 at
75 mph etc etc etc. These are all artifical figures too
and not 'real world'. When my Dad ran one as a
company car in 1983 (735iSE with the 4 speed auto)
it rarely bettered 20 mpg overall. The E28 520i's
struggled to do much more than 25 mpg! The only
BMW to do a consistent 30 mpg was the 525e.

E23 735i Automatics do not do 30mpg!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-December-2005 at 06:06
My 1985 4 speed auto 735 returns 24+ MPG on what I call my urban cycle where the 'lockup' does not kick in. On a light throttle with lockup on, she does indeed register 31 MPG on the OBC. Ordinary unleaded BTW, not sure if Superunleaded would make any difference? Does Motronic sort out best performence on fuel used?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-December-2005 at 12:40
That's the OBC, not real world. It's about as real as
the swinging needle economy gauge. To do it
properly you need to brim the tank, run it down to
about a quarter, fill up again and do the maths.

525e's can show 40 mpg on the OBC (mine used to)
yet in reality it wouldn't be doing anywhere near that.

If BMW and Autocar say it doesn't do 30 mpg, I
believe them! Their figures were very carefully
worked out using scientific equipment and a new
car, not one that's 20 years old with six figure
mileage.

Put it another way - if a new 330i does 20 mpg
urban, how the hell can a 20 year old car which
weighs an extra 2-300 kilos with an engine with an
extra 500cc do 24mpg on urban?(answer - It doesn't)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-December-2005 at 14:12

[QUOTE=Drew540i]That's the OBC, not real world. It's about as real as
the swinging needle economy gauge. To do it
properly you need to brim the tank, run it down to
about a quarter, fill up again and do the maths.


Thats Precicly what I did do. The way to 30MPG on m-way is use the cruise control at 70mph. Lock up is on 2000 RPM no worries.

Last summer I went to Minehead & back (about 300 miles)  which was about 80% M5 the rest Urban& A roads.

I filled the tank & filled again upon my return home. Now at times I was doing 90MPH (not for long) & overall consumption came back at 28MPG. My E23 has 135k on the clock just for the record.

IMHO,The reasons more modern cars sometimes struggle for fuel ecomemy (yes I know thats spelt wrong), is because despite more powerful/efficant engines, they have to lug about more equipment (like 100 airbags), & are also fitted with Catalysts.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-December-2005 at 00:50
Originally posted by Drew540i Drew540i wrote:

That's the OBC, not real world. It's about as real as
the swinging needle economy gauge. To do it
properly you need to brim the tank, run it down to
about a quarter, fill up again and do the maths.

525e's can show 40 mpg on the OBC (mine used to)
yet in reality it wouldn't be doing anywhere near that.

If BMW and Autocar say it doesn't do 30 mpg, I
believe them! Their figures were very carefully
worked out using scientific equipment and a new
car, not one that's 20 years old with six figure
mileage.

Put it another way - if a new 330i does 20 mpg
urban, how the hell can a 20 year old car which
weighs an extra 2-300 kilos with an engine with an
extra 500cc do 24mpg on urban?(answer - It doesn't)


I have tanked the car in the past and found the OBC and 'real world' consumption to be very close. The e23 is lighter than the e32 and many folks claim 22 - 30 MPG for the e32. Aerodynamics come into this equation, but will be offset by the lower weight. So, I reckon my MPG figures are there or thereabouts.

BTW, I had a new 525e which was not run in and that returned 35MPG easily.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-December-2005 at 06:32
Whatever.

My date of birth is10/12/2005 and my E32 730i does
56mpg if you keep it below 120 mph. Honest.

'Don't let the facts spoil a good story'.
(So BMW, UK Govermnent and Autocar MPG figures
are all nonsense??!!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-December-2005 at 08:10

 

     Sorry e23 fiends , just popped in to tell you another 745 has been rescued ,i'm going ghetto and council for a week or two cruising in it ,then the gas axe comes out .

    I haven't had my buffalo leather bonfire yet but its getting real close. If any of you fiends want parts and have cash instead of hard luck stories to humour me with send me a p.m.

Profit is more reasonable than justice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-December-2005 at 11:42
I wouldn't waste your time Hiab. You could offer E23
bits here for nothing and they'd still be too expensive.
Why do you think I drove a running 735iSE into the
scrapyard last month??

As we speak, a one owner 745i (1985) is being
brought back from Germany - engine out (for an E30
Touring) and the rest is going in the crusher
sometime before Xmas.
I keep offering Hiab £1000 for his (very nice) white
one to do a similar conversion but he won't sell it me
(yet). He says it's too nice to scrap.

(E23 - too good to scrap; talk about contradiction)

Another one gone, not many left to go.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-December-2005 at 12:25

This form is a wast off time people are so bitter on hear putting people and ther choice of car down all the time. I can't be bothered any more. If you can't say anething nice don't say anething at all. I thought this is was a friendly car club but it is not just a I have a better car then you and yours is S**t club. I know not all on hear are like this. But..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-December-2005 at 15:14

Oh dear oh dear, somebodies not very happy !!!

 

Anyway, on a positive note, re Head gasket?? my car had a similar sounding problem. It's an E38 740i 1995, and, fortunately before I bought it problems were occuring to the cooling system whereby the water would get VERY pressurised, which apparently is a classic headgasket sign.

Indeed the AA, bless 'em stated it was such ! However after several visits to the BM dealer, they changed the rad, expan tank, water pump and just about everything else in the cooling system and the problem disappeared. Plainly there was some kind of blockage within the cooling system.

Hope that helps........

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Blissfully happy in France
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-December-2005 at 17:12
Originally posted by bmw1066 bmw1066 wrote:

This form is a wast off time
people are so bitter on hear putting people and ther
choice of car down all the time. I can't be bothered
any more. If you can't say anething nice don't say
anething at all. I thought this is was a friendly car
club but it is not just a I have a better car then you
and yours is S**t club. I know not all on hear are like
this. But..



Nothing to do with 'my car's better than yours'. It's just
that a number of guys here have tried to help out E23
owners and for nothing. For example, Horsetan
actually offered parking space for a scrap E23 yet
none of the E23 bods here did anything.

Hiabboy Pete is going to throw away two complete
Buffalo trims because of total apathy from you lot.
Christ, when I threw away a complete running 1986
735i, I even posted here where it was and asked the
scrapman to put it to one side. Two mint bumpers,
perfect straight panels (which could have been had
for beer money), all in the crusher a couple of weeks
ago. I thought you all wanted bits like this???

Trying to suggest that an E23 is actually a better car
than the E32 and E38 just about caps it off really.

E23 owners seem to be in dreamland....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-December-2005 at 17:43
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-December-2005 at 17:54

Nothing to do with 'my car's better than yours'. It's just
that a number of guys here have tried to help out E23
owners and for nothing. For example, Horsetan
actually offered parking space for a scrap E23 yet
none of the E23 bods here did anything.

Hiabboy Pete is going to throw away two complete
Buffalo trims because of total apathy from you lot.
Christ, when I threw away a complete running 1986
735i, I even posted here where it was and asked the
scrapman to put it to one side. Two mint bumpers,
perfect straight panels (which could have been had
for beer money), all in the crusher a couple of weeks
ago. I thought you all wanted bits like this???

Trying to suggest that an E23 is actually a better car
than the E32 and E38 just about caps it off really.

E23 owners seem to be in dreamland.... [/QUOTE]

No one is suggesting that an E23 is better than E32/E38 it's a fact

(JOKING!)

All my orignal point was that the E32/E38 were top notch when new, but as the poor sod who started this topic found out, when they are a bit older (ie used cars), they cost a fortune to put right & not many people know how to because they are so complicated.

As for the E23 parts, great if you were reasonly close, but how the hell am i going to cart a whole car to my house ? Most people want at least £150 to do so, so "cheap parts" suddenly become rather expensive!

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Maby I am in dreem land, But I have no space for parts and cars it is bad enouth for 1. being 21 you must under stand that I have not the money or the space to store keep trim cars and I would have them all for parts But I can't. So don't keep having a go.  

And yes I do the the e32 and e38 and way better cars then a e23 I love em. But I like the shap and the stiling of the e23 pre shark. and she ows me no money 2 free mot's and onley needing a hand break cable for thet is bugger all.

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