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    Posted: 20-January-2006 at 14:24
Right folks.
i was talking to Mondello about booking dates for the club in 2006.
Seemingly, Mondello's directors in the UK want to make more money so all prices have increased. The International price (for a 1/2 day) has increased from about €5k+VAT to €8K+VAT for a weekend slot.
In order to pay for this we would need to either increase numbers attending (can't assume this will happen) or increase the fees.

I don't want to increase prices (assuming 50 drivers then you are talking about €200) and I can't assume that we will suddenly get lots more drivers coming down so this leaves us with four options (that I can see).

* We could get sponsorship (3 or 4 thousand) but this would be for each date and again who would be willing to provide this? BMW Irl? I doubt it!
* We could go for a weekday at a reduced cost. Unfortunatley nobody will turn up as they will all be working!
* We could team up with another club. I have spoken to the Porsche club and they will be unlikely to want a union (seemingly they had a bad experience with the Scoobie club before) and anyway they are happy enough taking the national circuit on a weekday.
* Go elsewhere! Kirkistown springs to mind but someone may be able to suggest somewhere else. the disadvantage of Kirky is that it isn't ideal for many down south (TJ, Derg, etc.). However, if an overnight camp session was organised it could be a bt of craic - see pic below!!!

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WTF, 60% rise???

seemingly somebody doesnt want to bother with running trackdays @ WE anymore.

And I was starting to think I could take a trip back to Ireland for the first trackday of the year! Let me use my best english: What a share of f*****g c*nts!



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€200?...

well if i had to pay it i suppose i would,its a great day and sure if i was a drinker id probably spend close to that on a nite out.

sharing with another club i dont think would be good idea.

kirkistown wouldnt be too bad either.

how about doing mondello as the first track day of the year and then doing kirkistown in the latter part.

the money we would save on kirkistown could maybe bring the price of mondello down a bit.

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Well as my bmwcc membership came up for renewel lately and as most of the meets organised with the lads here are done outside the club my only reason for considering renewing it was so i could take  the car out on the club organised trackdays.So im glad i didnt renew my membership now because mondello may well wish to make more money but they aint gonna be making it from me,feck that!

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I also paid membership to the club to do the track day, when I was speaking to the battle axe in the office she said that they were no longer accepting memberships on the day.

I've looked into organising a day in Kirkistown and its very reasonable.
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I guess if that's the price then we'll have to pay, surely someone (Dealer/BMW Irl) would be willing to make a contribution. We need to get our PR team on the case.

Greedy bastards nonetheless

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Personally, I think mondello is a thoroughly enjoyable track but I don't think its worth paying what they are asking for. I personally don't fancy paying €400 to drive on track just twice.
Kirky would cost about 3 grand IIRC - someone can confirm this. Numbers may be down but sure we could ask some of the Norn Iron crowd to it.
What other tracks are there. The karting track in tynagh wouldn't be suitable for a track day but would for sprints.

@Ken - Im not sure what Gerry in the office said but I can recall your membership renewal form going over and I presume it was processed. i did say to her that I would like to stop having people join on the day purely as a means to go on track but this idea was purely to reduce certain elements that appeared a year ago.
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She basically blamed me for her charging me in sterling instead of Euro, and was one of the most impolite people I've ever had to deal with - it was as if she was doing me a favour accepting my cash.

Anyway - she said that they were stopping processing memberships from the trackdays because it was too much hassle for her.

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Thats mad  Why they doing this?
I have  another option as well.I know its not the best for BMW club but its an option.I have few friends who would love to come to track with their own car,but not BMW.So if we can get few others with good recomendations! that would help us a bit
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the advantage of the track days being under the BMW CC umberella is for the 3rd party insurance
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Kirkistown is around that yes. so you would need only 30 cars to bring the car back to €100.

I think the guy from tracksillz are pretty good on prices: £80 per car and that include as many passengers and drivers you want on the car.



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Isn't our economy wonderful - 60% pay hike!  KB - did they say anything about giving the wrong track last time?  I'm not looking for any kind of reimbursement; just a principle argument given the increase!

Kirkistown looks interesting, but could be done as an arrive Saturday evening, possibly dinner and drinks (not too much, mind!) followed on Sunday by the track and run home.  Are there any hostels available near there that might do a group booking?

And Im not shooting the messenger either!!
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Originally posted by Fey! Fey! wrote:

Isn't our economy wonderful - 60% pay hike!  KB - did they say anything about giving the wrong track last time?  I'm not looking for any kind of reimbursement; just a principle argument given the increase!


no mention of it really. Whan I was talking to them after the last track day they just said that we had the national booked and that was that. No discussion and there was no point in me arguing with them.

Originally posted by Fey! Fey! wrote:

Kirkistown looks interesting, but could be done as an arrive Saturday evening, possibly dinner and drinks (not too much, mind!) followed on Sunday by the track and run home.  Are there any hostels available near there that might do a group booking?



Kirky would be better run on a Saturday and stay over that night and return on Sunday (with sore heads). It would be too much to expect people to drive back to Cork or wherever after a heavy night followed by a track day.
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Nice thinking, Killian.  2 nighter (would our wallets/livers be able for it???)
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This could be a reason why Mondello's prices are up.

http://www.lolaheritage.co.uk/news/news036/036.htm

Motorsport News reports that Mr Birrane has taken the first one for himself at £150,000 less engine!
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AGGGHHH CRAP!! Thats a real pain in the ****! I was fuming at the last track day when they screwed up the national/international thing. I think we should take our business elsewhere and let them know it. Outrageous increase rant rant rant... I'll drive to kirkistown from cork no problem and back down the same day, no need for a sleepover.

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The price rise is extortionate.  Time to call their bluff and vote with our feet.  Rip off Republic in action.

Subject to the dates organized (as always) I have no problem in going up-d-nord for a day on the track.  Saturdays would be best.
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I would actually be inclined tor a trio of track days in Kirky - March/April, June/July and another in Sept/Oct
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that sounds good to me.

to the lads down the bottom of the land...

it would be a long haul to drive up tp kirkistown,drive round the track all day and then drive home.

i would recommend doing the track day on a saturday,staying b+b that night and driving home sunday.it could be a bit dangerous on the drive home(falling asleep etc.etc.) 
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Belfast is a 4 to 5 hour run for me, so I'd be Saturday and sleepover, as jrafferty suggested.

However, I'd be a warier than the Antrim trip after those Dubs and Corkonians removed the poles from my tent!!! 

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