Penalty points

Horsetan wrote (wha? couldnt find that in the oxford dictonary) NEWSFLASH guess what i couldnt find WHA  in the oxford dictonary either !!!!!!!!!!!!

 Oh i see the spelling and grammer mare HORSETAN has been out for a trot, well pardon me for not eating the oxford b****** dictonary before i put a post on this forum now theres a word you will find in the oxford dictonary, i guess as you pull other people up about their spellings and grammer i take it you have never made a spelling mistake before and always got your grammer correct ?

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Doive wrote: No I agree entirely with what you say there, the actions of others shouldn't be a problem provided I keep both my own speed and distance in check, which i do. However, all too often people find themselves affected by other incompetent drivers. The SPECS cameras make me paranoid, even though I rarely drive even closeto the speed limit. I suppose the point I am making in all these posts (becuase you and I seem to go round in ever maddening circles!) is that the standards of driving in this country cannot be improved by a reduction in speed alone, but in fact that should be an achievable aim following some sort of driver training, which would bring about a greater awareness of the dangers of speeding and the risks of excessive vehicle speed. Hopefully.

I have never said that speed is the sole issue that should be attacked. All I've said is that it shouldn't be ignored.
Yes education & training have greater long term benefits, but in the meantime people should still be adhering to limits & there are positive benefits to making sure that people do.


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Doive wrote: Fall some distance behind a line of cars on a busy A road, and observe as they approach a speed camera (I've done this). Watch how the first car insinctively brakes despite being under the limit, and then also watch how that braking manouvere transfers down the entire line, despite all being appropriately spaced and travelling at the correct speed. I have seen this time and time again, and I know you will say 'it's their choice....they choose to brake' etc etc - it has become instinctive! People see a speed camera and they brake - natural reaction my friend. Surely even you cannot say this is promoting safe driving?

Hide the cameras then.

Seriosuly though, that's why I favour SPECS cameras if we are going to have them.
Because there is no point braking for them & they measure you speed over a greater distance (not punishing someone who is only slightly over for a short space of time). Because of that they will also be effective over a greater distance as well.

People braking for a camera shouldn't be a problem for you though. If they are speeding & you are not, they will be going away from you before they brake giving you lots of time. If you both aren't speeding provided you've left adequate distance between you & them then their braking shouldn't be a concern. To be honest I look ahead of the car infront, spot the camera & expect them to brake, so it's no surprise or problem to me if they do.


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Doive wrote: None of us choose to break the limit in this way - so do we all drive around wearing our speedometers like a pair of glasses, just in case we speed even a slight little bit? Must follow every law of the land to the lastest finest detail, eh livvy? No matter what the consequences to self.

Doive

68 isn't a little past the limit in a 60.

We either choose to, or we are not paying enough attention. We all know the consequences if we do that. It's no good bleating about it & trying to blame others when we are the ones who have all of the control over it.

You don't need to constantly stare at the speedo to avoid getting prosecuted for speeding, it will be counter productive. But you do need to concentrate, show restraint & an awareness of your speed at all times. These are not super human skills, they are ones you were taught when you learned to drive & displayed for your driving test.


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Peter Fenwick wrote: livvy wrote: Mike Fishwick wrote: ....I'm glad I live in France, with a French licence. Under the new road safety bill a French licence won't stop you getting points here or disqualified by totting here, should you commit endorseable offences. There will be no escaping the punitive measures of the state.

If these punitive measures are enforced against foreign motorists with the same vigour as parking fines / congestion charge penalties, i.e. none at all, then I rather think foreign motorists will have little to worry about....

dirtybeemer wrote: ....withstrain...

Wha'? Couldn't find this in the Oxford English Dictionary.......

...Did anyone get Mr Englander's solicitors phone no by the way ?

It wasn't Nick Freeman.

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thepits wrote: shorty wrote: Nigel wrote: The public ignore them, insurance companies ignore them (in my experience), and now magistrates ignore them lol http://www.itvregions.com/Granada/News/Driver+keeps+licence+ despite+31+penalty+points.htm  Wish the insurance people had ignored mine Nigel , rise of £350 for my points !!!!!   Shorty, you're obviously with the wrong company. Told both my Insurers about my 3 speeding points - both said made no problem (in fact one commented that he'd very surprised if some-one Didn't have speeding points these days - ahem!) and that it made no difference to either of my policys.

Ah ! but maybe i wasn't too clear ...... i have 9 points !!!!!!!!!

Been turned down for 3 jobs due to this !!!! Wish the camera partnerships would stop messing up folks lives . Its not like i am an armed robber ( Livvy :- i know what you will say mate that it is a CRIME all the same  !!! ) All 9 were from the video vans on a clear motorway in dry conditions with no one else around ???? the only danger to anyone was to ME ????? 

A police officer told me reasonable force was if someone comes towards you and you feel your life was in danger then you can hit them as many times as necessary to make your escape, aslong as you dont give them a good kicking if they go down (such spoilsports).

If you catch someone on your property then you are supposed to withstrain them thats why anyone caught on my property came at me in a threatening manner (knuckle duster works well).

Did anyone get Mr Englander's solicitors phone no by the way ?

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So long as it's kept within bounds as recommended by you it should be fine!

Won't comment on the Iraq thing as I'm having a relatively good day and don't want to get worked up!

livvy wrote: How far you can go depends on the circumstances. You can only use the amount of force that is reasonable & necessary to detain someone, any excess is an abuse of force & is a criminal act. In defence of yourself/others you can use reasonable & necessary force to avert that threat. The level of force used has to be proportional to the actual/perceived threat level. As I say knowledge & accurate judgement of what is acceptable in each individual circumstances is what is necessary.

Ahh, the old "Knowledge is Power" chestnut... I like! So what we need to do is arm ourselves with the appropriate understanding of the law and use it to beat the theiving scumbags to within an inch of the law!!