Penalty points

Plead not guilty and ask for the calibration test on that camera on that day, got a few people that i know off

Exactly Peter - even in the old days when one received a NIP it was accompanied by a statement of the offence, signed by the officer concerned. Now it's just a 'Pay up or else' type of thing. In most EU states, where the camera takes its pic from the front of the car, a piccy is sent, showing the driver's face and speed etc as evidence. Even in the Czech Republic of 1991 I was given a piccy as part of the on-the-spot fine for exceeding the motorcycle (and bus!) speed limit of 55 mph on a motorway.

Odd, isn't it - if you commit any crime, there will always be someone to produce extenuating circumstances 'proving' that committing the crime was not REALLY your fault, but was due to your upbringing etc etc .... unless your crime is associated with motoring, in which case you are autometically guilty, and not even provided with the evidence against you if it comes from a camera. Justice? Don't make me laugh.

livvy wrote: shorty wrote: Livvy try an experiment i have try ed on several occasions . Next time you are on the motorway drive at 70 mph . just see how many cars, vans , lorry's ( yes 16 wheeler lorry's !!! )  go whizzing past you . Where are the "enforcers" then ? As for taking responsibility for my livelihood i HAVE to drive every day for my job & if i loose my license that is me out of a job  & i know that so do you think i or any other person go out intentionally to get points on there license ? I would be more of a danger if i didn't keep up with the flow of traffic would i not ? How many people do you know that drive at 30mph in a 30 mph zone unless as Doave has pointed out they either see a police man with a radar gun or know there is a fixed camera on that road ? I don't need to do an experiment because I do it all the time, I don't want to get points or lose my licence.

Good on you ! But you still didn't answer my original question , how many people in cars , vans & lorry's  WHIZZ past you as you do 70 mph ?

 

 

livvy wrote: Spokey wrote: And that the government is wonderful I've definitely never said that.

Wasn't Spokey expressing his own opinion then??

I'm convinced Spokey is really David Cameron

Yeah sounds about right not to mention the allowance to run them and a payrise etc etc i vote livvy for PM

dirtybeemer wrote: Is that down hill with the wind behind you.....

.........steering wheel shaking and bits flying off!

Believe me Peter, when I'm doing 68 in the chevette, I KNOW I'm doing 68!!

Doive wrote: A speedometer will sometimes overread by as much as 10% according to the law. This is why in a 60mph limit a vehicle will be allowed to do 68mph before a speed trap is triggered - 60 + 10% + 2 = 68mph. The 10% allows for speedo inaccuracy. So what I was saying was that if I had somehow allowed my speed to creep up to 68, then I would get busted by a speed trap, and as such become a criminal in the eyes of the law. I don't like that.

True but you can actually get over 20% over beofre being flashed. If your speedo reads spot on then at an indicated 68mph you will get flashed. However if your speedo reads 10% positive you would have to be doing an indicated 75mph before being flashed i.e 68mph + 10%. Since you drive older cars Doive, I suspect your speedos are very likely to read over, I know the one in a Chevette is not the most accurate in the world. 

Dirty - speedo generally reads 5-10% above your speed.

ie - when my speedo tells me I'm doing 68mph and I hit cruise, I can reset my obc average speed to see what I'm doing, and it'll tell me around 62-63mph.  At the same time, my satnav will give me a reading of 100kph (62.5mph).

This may change if you change the rolling radius of your wheel/tyre combo, but not drasticly (sc).