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dirtybeemer
Really Senior Member II 1996 P E39 523i se Joined: 29-January-2006 Status: Offline Points: 563 |
Topic: Penalty points Posted: 21-February-2006 at 12:57 |
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Plead not guilty and ask for the calibration test on that camera on that day, got a few people that i know off
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livvy
Really Senior Member II Joined: 12-November-2005 Status: Offline Points: 745 |
Posted: 21-February-2006 at 12:15 | |
& some do here too, depends on the county. Some will send photos with the NIP, some not. There is of course no requirement to because at that time it is just a conditional offer. Wiltshire load the photos onto a website & then when the NIP is sent out a unique PIN number is sent with it so that you can view your personal web page with the photos relating to your case. |
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Mike Fishwick
Groupie Joined: 26-October-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 63 |
Posted: 21-February-2006 at 10:21 | |
Exactly Peter - even in the old days when one received a NIP it was accompanied by a statement of the offence, signed by the officer concerned. Now it's just a 'Pay up or else' type of thing. In most EU states, where the camera takes its pic from the front of the car, a piccy is sent, showing the driver's face and speed etc as evidence. Even in the Czech Republic of 1991 I was given a piccy as part of the on-the-spot fine for exceeding the motorcycle (and bus!) speed limit of 55 mph on a motorway.
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Peter Fenwick
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 27-August-2003 Location: Lost somewhere in time... Status: Offline Points: 6484 |
Posted: 21-February-2006 at 10:00 | |
Well, I have never seen a lorry whizz past me at 70mph. All the lorries i've seen in the last few years have been doing 60mph or less, without exception. Mike, they will only disclose the evidence if you contest the charge in court. |
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Mike Fishwick
Groupie Joined: 26-October-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 63 |
Posted: 21-February-2006 at 06:59 | |
Odd, isn't it - if you commit any crime, there will always be someone to produce extenuating circumstances 'proving' that committing the crime was not REALLY your fault, but was due to your upbringing etc etc .... unless your crime is associated with motoring, in which case you are autometically guilty, and not even provided with the evidence against you if it comes from a camera. Justice? Don't make me laugh.
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livvy
Really Senior Member II Joined: 12-November-2005 Status: Offline Points: 745 |
Posted: 20-February-2006 at 14:27 | |
Oh quite a few do go past me & no doubt they'll all bitch if they get caught speeding as well
(because they don't know where the enforcers will be. If you value your licence just always believe they are there) Edited by livvy |
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shorty
Really Senior Member II Joined: 13-January-2004 Location: Falkirk, Scotland Status: Offline Points: 1758 |
Posted: 20-February-2006 at 14:22 | |
Good on you ! But you still didn't answer my original question , how many people in cars , vans & lorry's WHIZZ past you as you do 70 mph ?
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spokey
Bavarian-Board Contributor Offensive and obnoxious tub of lard Joined: 02-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1948 |
Posted: 20-February-2006 at 10:56 | |
Not really -- I'm too "off-message" to be a proper politician.
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 20-February-2006 at 10:47 | |
Wasn't Spokey expressing his own opinion then?? I'm convinced Spokey is really David Cameron |
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livvy
Really Senior Member II Joined: 12-November-2005 Status: Offline Points: 745 |
Posted: 20-February-2006 at 10:20 | |
The trigger limit on the camera isn't set for that purpose. Your speedo can only legally over read your actual speed not under read it, so the setting of the camera has nothing to do with that (as your vehicle will be going no faster than, but maybe slower than what the speedo is reading.) The trigger limit can be set at 61mph if they so wish, it doesn't have to be 68mph, they only choose to do so in most cases.
I've definitely never said that. Edited by livvy |
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dirtybeemer
Really Senior Member II 1996 P E39 523i se Joined: 29-January-2006 Status: Offline Points: 563 |
Posted: 20-February-2006 at 09:55 | |
Yeah sounds about right not to mention the allowance to run them and a payrise etc etc i vote livvy for PM
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spokey
Bavarian-Board Contributor Offensive and obnoxious tub of lard Joined: 02-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1948 |
Posted: 20-February-2006 at 09:52 | |
And that the government is wonderful. And that all police measures are appropriate. And that nothing else will make the same improvements to road safety that a scamera will. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Just look at what your tax money and scamera levies are going towards next, folks ...! |
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 20-February-2006 at 09:15 | |
.........steering wheel shaking and bits flying off! |
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dirtybeemer
Really Senior Member II 1996 P E39 523i se Joined: 29-January-2006 Status: Offline Points: 563 |
Posted: 20-February-2006 at 09:03 | |
Is that down hill with the wind behind you by any chance lol
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Doive
Really Senior Member II Joined: 09-February-2005 Location: Clinging to a turbine, Hexham Status: Offline Points: 1212 |
Posted: 20-February-2006 at 08:59 | |
Believe me Peter, when I'm doing 68 in the chevette, I KNOW I'm doing 68!!
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dirtybeemer
Really Senior Member II 1996 P E39 523i se Joined: 29-January-2006 Status: Offline Points: 563 |
Posted: 20-February-2006 at 08:29 | |
Oh right thanks for that
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Peter Fenwick
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 27-August-2003 Location: Lost somewhere in time... Status: Offline Points: 6484 |
Posted: 20-February-2006 at 08:04 | |
True but you can actually get over 20% over beofre being flashed. If your speedo reads spot on then at an indicated 68mph you will get flashed. However if your speedo reads 10% positive you would have to be doing an indicated 75mph before being flashed i.e 68mph + 10%. Since you drive older cars Doive, I suspect your speedos are very likely to read over, I know the one in a Chevette is not the most accurate in the world. |
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Doive
Really Senior Member II Joined: 09-February-2005 Location: Clinging to a turbine, Hexham Status: Offline Points: 1212 |
Posted: 20-February-2006 at 07:18 | |
A speedometer will sometimes overread by as much as 10% according to the law. This is why in a 60mph limit a vehicle will be allowed to do 68mph before a speed trap is triggered - 60 + 10% + 2 = 68mph. The 10% allows for speedo inaccuracy. So what I was saying was that if I had somehow allowed my speed to creep up to 68, then I would get busted by a speed trap, and as such become a criminal in the eyes of the law. I don't like that.
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Fey!
Bavarian-Board Contributor Funs over, Scotty; beam down my clothes! Joined: 28-February-2005 Location: Galway Status: Offline Points: 4161 |
Posted: 20-February-2006 at 07:09 | |
Dirty - speedo generally reads 5-10% above your speed. ie - when my speedo tells me I'm doing 68mph and I hit cruise, I can reset my obc average speed to see what I'm doing, and it'll tell me around 62-63mph. At the same time, my satnav will give me a reading of 100kph (62.5mph). This may change if you change the rolling radius of your wheel/tyre combo, but not drasticly (sc). |
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dirtybeemer
Really Senior Member II 1996 P E39 523i se Joined: 29-January-2006 Status: Offline Points: 563 |
Posted: 20-February-2006 at 06:09 | |
I agree with you Peter but i dont understand if doive is doing 68 mph then why would his speedo reading be well over 70, ?
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