Bad main stealer - WATCH OUT

kbannon wrote: I am just protecting the forum from a potential slander accusation - thats all!

Ahum, at the risk of repeating myself -

"The views expressed here are those of individuals and are not necessarily the views of the BMW Car Club, BMW (GB) Ltd. or BMW (AG)."

So wouldn't it be the individual who is leaving themselves open to be accused of slander?

Not the Forum?

kbannon wrote: Possibly - but Im not a solicitor and not willing to be up in court against one!

It's not the solicitors you have to worry about...

...it's the Lawyers!  (They wear wigs you know - but not at the weekends)

 

 

(edited because I had the wig context wrong!)

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bodger122 wrote: Just a thought, but what if the boot was on the other foot...say i had experienced some fantastic service from my BMW dealer and wanted to shout it from the hills cos im so chuffed. or i knew a dealer with a fantistic deal on a new model at the moment. Would i not be allowed to mention the said dealers name on this BMW message board? surely my virtual friends would like a slice of the action to? Feedback, be it positive or negative is not a bad thing - as long as its constructive and factual the BMW dealer network has nothing to worry about.

HERE    HERE!  It makes my blood boil too. I don't have a problem with telling the world I've had fantastic service, but maybe, with the state of some dealers at the moments, one feels this thread would be somewhat empty? Am I alone in thinking this? And yes, I very much doubt the names would be scrubbed out! Infact, I may try it out to see if thats a fact, but i'd hate to do it with fake facts, so when I next service my car, maybe I should find a dealer that doesn't disappoint me and tell you all about it!!

Anyway, regarding my pal, still no reply from the dealer principal, but I have learned from this experience, not to hold my breath! I'll let you know the result when and if there is one!

Regards

Mike

thepits wrote: kbannon wrote: I am just protecting the forum from a potential slander accusation - thats all! Ahum, at the risk of repeating myself - "The views expressed here are those of individuals and are not necessarily the views of the BMW Car Club, BMW (GB) Ltd. or BMW (AG)." So wouldn't it be the individual who is leaving themselves open to be accused of slander? Not the Forum?

Ive just been on another forum and they have a post topic of good or bad dealer, and have a simular thing to above what thepits has posted and you should see the amount of dealers that are named on there both good and bad.

Killian, Nigel

I feel for you guys and appreciate the hard work you put into the forum.

I think though that even if the battle is lost here the war will continue against dealers who fail to produce, not just from forums like this but from BMW UK AND if they fail to buck the trend then Helmut will have something to say!

BMW announced record profits last year (23,300,000 Euros if I recall) and expect to do the same again year on year for the next 10.  It will not happen if ..................................

Relatively we are small fry but the more current owners become dissatisfied the more difficulty Helmut will have in attaining his goal.

Have a nice weekend, I'm off for a weeks holiday  but being really sad I'll have internet access!

Bring on the beers, have a good weekend everyone.

Jack

 

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I think that is a excellent idea nigel, if the dealer recieved this thread and saw on how many have commented on it and how many are viewing it, then it might give them the insentive to book up there ideas, and do what we all think is the right thing, with this gentlemens car, and it help them to commit to customers in the future, then who knows they might be back on the forum with nothing but praise from faith restored customers.

Peter Fenwick wrote: Anyway it's libel not slander. Slander is spoken, libel is written.

Its neither libel nor slander if whats been written or said is true!

Absolutely if what has been written is true, which i personally do not doubt and there is proof of this then no one can be prosecuted for slander or liable, as i put something over the whole www. about a certain someone which was true and there was nothing they could do about it, apart from sit and read it.

Peter Fenwick wrote: True. But that has to be proven. Unless the forum admin can be sure it is true then they cannot take the risk of allowing it to be posted.

Well said.

Enough lads - the modorators are only acting according to the forum rules, and how they have been instructed by the office and the NC.

If we have a 'gripe' against a dealer, bring it up with the office.

They've got the BMW contacts - we can only hope they use them.

Peter Fenwick wrote: Jack735 wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: Anyway it's libel not slander. Slander is spoken, libel is written. Its neither libel nor slander if whats been written or said is true! True. But that has to be proven. Unless the forum admin can be sure it is true then they cannot take the risk of allowing it to be posted.

 

Good point Peter! Let me ask this question though, lets just say this was all proven beyond doubt, can the name of the dealer be un-blocked? Just a question I was pondering over.

How it can be proved? I suppose it wouldn't really happen unless it went to court. All of the records the dealer makes of when the car was booked in and what for, should be available as is the copy of the warranty paperwork that my friend took the clever move of requesting so he has got it on paper what should have been done.

Of course conversations weren't recorded so it the dealer versus the client although I do know that his dad witnessed some conversations and I overheard phonecalls so there is plenty of evidence. If the dealer still tries to squirm their way out of this one, there is something seriously wrong within the BMW empire and heads need to roll.

Just to update you aswell, the dealer principal said the other day, after receiving the letter, he would contact my friend regarding this matter. This still has not happened. He hasn't even bothered to ring this guy and say 'I am investigating the situation and will be in touch' nothing, nil, zero. After three days it's getting silly. BMW GB would have recieved the same letter the same day, but no response from them though when I spoke to my frind last, he hadn't had his mail for that day so tomorrow may be a different story. I think both the dealer and BMW UK would do well to at least let my guy know they are taking an interest in sorting this mess out. Patience is wearing thin and it may be time to contact the solicitor.

Any further developments, you guys will be among the first to know.

Regards

Mike