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grahame34m5
Really Senior Member II Joined: 05-August-2005 Status: Offline Points: 808 |
Posted: 13-December-2006 at 11:25 | |
Hero, hero . A real Engineer good on you! Tiko don't worry thepits is just stiring, which I think you'll find is in his job description |
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Bigian
Really Senior Member II Joined: 25-May-2005 Location: Stonehaven Status: Offline Points: 2167 |
Posted: 13-December-2006 at 11:02 | |
It does not matter how much rubber (apart from the legal requirement) on your tyres if you are going to aquaplane it will happen. I seen this happen a while ago coming back from Glasgow with bus.
Big 4x4 coming other direction standing and falling water hit patch nothing motor could do started to aquaplane he/she had no control and crashed in to ditch at side of road. |
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gjoconnor92
Really Senior Member II The eyes have it Joined: 21-July-2003 Location: Kildare and Limerick, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 735 |
Posted: 13-December-2006 at 09:29 | |
Just a little comment from Ireland. Our last track day was in torrential conditions. The drivers that went out and drove hard learned a lot about their limits and the car's limits. It annoys me when people say they will not do a track day when it is wet. A wet day is when you learn most. You could come away from a wet track with a skill that could save yours or an innocent person's life. |
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BMW328i
Really Senior Member I Joined: 17-March-2006 Location: glasgow Status: Offline Points: 306 |
Posted: 13-December-2006 at 09:02 | |
As a Civil Engineer and fellow motorist I wholeheartedly agree with your comments. However as grahame has quite rightly pointed, our fuel duty, road tax fund etc goes on everything else bar the roads. Aside from surface water issues, shoddy patch-up work by contractors maintaining existing services has also been the norm for near enough a decade, only now have transportation departments in local government authorities acknowledged the problem. Back to surface water though and in terms of the money required first of all for research into what materials to use, sustainability issues and as mentioned the tree-hugger enviromentally friendly contingent and your better off just accepting that your going to have to change your tyres at 4mm mate. Dont expect anything from these clowns that way you dont get dissapointed Edited by BMW328i |
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m3tiko
Really Senior Member II Joined: 29-May-2005 Location: Braveheart Country..aka Pai Status: Offline Points: 1483 |
Posted: 13-December-2006 at 00:07 | |
Maybe you're right I should've held my speed at 20mph on the motorway and increase my chances of being involved and causing an accident...
Read the threads mate they all state hazardous conditions...none of them said "guess what I was doing 90/100mph in the rain", if so they are stupid and reckless which I'm not. All I was suggesting that preventive measures for the future especially if climate changes are certain. |
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thepits
Moderator Group Joined: 09-July-2003 Location: far far away Status: Offline Points: 10000473 |
Posted: 12-December-2006 at 22:36 | |
Err, no. "The Driver needs to be more adaptable to the conditions..." (Bad workman always blames his tools remember)
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finnie
Senior Member I Joined: 23-February-2006 Location: Isle of Lewis now Status: Offline Points: 119 |
Posted: 12-December-2006 at 21:30 | |
Yup nightmare at the moment. Any road rutted road is just a nightmare right now. Terrified of puddles now car just seems to levitate off the road.
Also nearly wiped the car last wednesday. Picture the scene - heading up to aberdeen at about 7pm from Glasgow, late enough to avoid most of the traffic. Start car and after U turn DSC light comes on. Dman not again. never mind - turn car off at next set of lights and then restart to reset system. Ah well no joy, I'll just take it easy. Leaving Dundee i am at the last roundabout and manage to arrive at it with a lorry to my left on the inside lane. It looked like it was going to take it nice and wide so I carried on hoping to squeeze through. got halfway round and noticed he wasn't taking it wide anymore. OH OH, better get through sharpish. You can see whats coming. One wee twitch of the right foot and I'm ahead. Was just turning to the left to carry on straight through the roundabout and the next thing I'm staring at the left hand verge, then the centre verge and barrier then the left verge again AAAHHHHH Slide caught and everything apart from my heart is fine. My mistake i know but scared the living daylights out of me. DSC sure is a godsend, shame it wasn't on then! Funny thing was truck was loaded with Audi Q8s I bet the driving was just saying to himself thats why you should have a quattro audi instead of rear wheel drive. Edited by finnie |
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Allan320
Really Senior Member II Obsessive Detailer! Joined: 03-March-2005 Location: Glasgow Status: Offline Points: 669 |
Posted: 12-December-2006 at 13:03 | |
I heard it was to do with the new gritting techniques on the roads. The council are "spraying" the roads with something rather than firing grit at your car at ver 60mph. "There is now Brine added to the grit as it spread. It's still the same grit thats always been used just brine comes out aswell. The brine is supposed to stop the grit "spraying" all over the road. It seemingly makes the grit stick to the road. And it isnt cheaper than whats been used in previous years"
Basically the brine turns to slippy s**t (keeping the Dunkmeister happy :D)
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m3tiko
Really Senior Member II Joined: 29-May-2005 Location: Braveheart Country..aka Pai Status: Offline Points: 1483 |
Posted: 12-December-2006 at 10:48 | |
Yup the roads are terrible...the weather is rubbish Dunc
Paul I'll need to check this out, however only happened in the wet. |
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Webdunk
Moderator Group M3 GT Register Joined: 16-October-2002 Location: Central Scotland Status: Offline Points: 5245 |
Posted: 12-December-2006 at 10:28 | |
Bound to be... but would that not show up in other driving conditions? |
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M3CSL
Really Senior Member I Joined: 17-October-2004 Location: Edinburgh Status: Offline Points: 415 |
Posted: 12-December-2006 at 10:22 | |
Rear trailing arm bushes go on the CSL, dunno if it's the same for M3?
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Webdunk
Moderator Group M3 GT Register Joined: 16-October-2002 Location: Central Scotland Status: Offline Points: 5245 |
Posted: 12-December-2006 at 10:13 | |
Modified motorway speed. All December's rain in 2 days. Some of it lying heavily. Low temperatures. Less than optimally maintained roads. Guesstimated 2mm tread on large, wide, summer sports tyres. IMHO just a nasty combination of factors. |
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M3CSL
Really Senior Member I Joined: 17-October-2004 Location: Edinburgh Status: Offline Points: 415 |
Posted: 12-December-2006 at 10:09 | |
Tiko There must be something wrong with the car if it's that bad? |
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m3tiko
Really Senior Member II Joined: 29-May-2005 Location: Braveheart Country..aka Pai Status: Offline Points: 1483 |
Posted: 12-December-2006 at 09:59 | |
Gary I was in the 6th as I know a lower gear would most def lead to the tyres spinning.
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muppet 2
Really Senior Member II Z3..Apple of my eye Joined: 26-April-2006 Location: roof down getting getting a Status: Offline Points: 1586 |
Posted: 12-December-2006 at 09:41 | |
just about to head to Aberdeen in this weather , new tryes at the back and 4/5 mm at the front . will update if anythiong exciting happens
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I have been diagnosed with ADHOtS. Attention Deficit Hyperactive Ohh that's Shiney
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gary
Really Senior Member II Just Call me Wendy ;-) Joined: 16-October-2002 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 4263 |
Posted: 12-December-2006 at 09:39 | |
Yeah but what gear were you in?
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m3tiko
Really Senior Member II Joined: 29-May-2005 Location: Braveheart Country..aka Pai Status: Offline Points: 1483 |
Posted: 12-December-2006 at 00:32 | |
Thanks for the tip Muppet
I will endeavour to change my tyres when the tread hits 4mm mark... On the first point I think I was driving slower...40/50mph in these conditions is being precautious. |
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muppet 2
Really Senior Member II Z3..Apple of my eye Joined: 26-April-2006 Location: roof down getting getting a Status: Offline Points: 1586 |
Posted: 11-December-2006 at 23:17 | |
tip 1. when it rains drive slower.. 2. 2mm of tread if you want to avoid aquaplaning try changing at 4mm.....if you do not want to do that see point no.1 |
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I have been diagnosed with ADHOtS. Attention Deficit Hyperactive Ohh that's Shiney
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m3tiko
Really Senior Member II Joined: 29-May-2005 Location: Braveheart Country..aka Pai Status: Offline Points: 1483 |
Posted: 11-December-2006 at 21:44 | |
Oh yes in this weather my right foot isn't anywhere to be seen near the pedal...I merely let the car roll in gear.
I recall talking to a civil lad who insisted on todays highways using a porous type of sediment to totally eliminate any surface water...I think he was on crack when he said that cos from what I've experienced it seems....not!! |
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grahame34m5
Really Senior Member II Joined: 05-August-2005 Status: Offline Points: 808 |
Posted: 11-December-2006 at 21:38 | |
Yes but is your right foot within government guidelines Wide tyres and lowish tread is always gonna have trouble with aquaplaining. Saying that my rears are about the same at the moment but I don't seem to get as much jip,weird. This however does not change the fact the roads need to be more driver adaptable in events such as heavy rainfall...which our beloved country tends to see
Sadly road tax, fuel duty and all other forms of revenue raised from the motorist is spent on anything but the roads. It goes staight to the tree huggers to spend on what ever method of making the motorists life a greater pain in the ass. Edited by grahame34m5 |
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08 e60 Alpina B5 S sold, please forgive me 03 e39 M5 sold 98 e38 728 Sport Individual dead 93 e34 M5 sold |
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