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dryle
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Dave Ryle
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And good luck to you "Every cloud has a sliver lining" Mobile Hands-Free kits have been around for so long - and are so cheap - I just can't understand why everyone hasn't got one? should be a 1000 fine & 6points I say! anyway, back on topic......... |
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It seems you have all missed or forgotten to mention the whole reason for all these new laws regarding smoking . it is NOT about our wellbeing or antisocial behaviour (smoking) towards others . it is simply going to be another way of making money ! just like speed cameras . there willl be fines for people caught lighting up in prohibited places , hence the recruitment of enforcement officers . As someone that works in the car audio industry i can honestly say the increase in mobile phone handsfree car kits due to the new law coming into enforcement very soon has pretty much garunteed the healthiest bank balance we have had in almost 5 years so, many thanks to the overpaid overweight government bods , i owe you all a drink .
someone allways makes money out of these government scams "stands back , dons flame suit and waits for it" |
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Nigel
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I'd suggest smoking isn't worse, as its a habit (like changing gear), not an activity, like eating an apple.
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It's all gone a bit mad! I think smoking in a car can be just as dangerous as using a mobile. I have watched people light up whilst driving and using one hand to hold the cigarette and go all cross eyed while trying to light it for a period of 1-2 seconds which at about 30 mph is enough to have travelled about 15 metres. Also, my mother in law has had several incidents while driving she has dropped her cigarette or the cherry off the end then literally had her head down in the footwell trying to stop it setting fire to the car while still driving! I know smokers aren't all numbskulls but in a lot of cases, it can add to the danger of driving. I wonder how many accidents have been caused by someone not concentrating due to a cigarette related incident? (and of course not writen on the accident claim form!) I'm not picking on smokers because it doesn't make you a bad person, just a smelly one lol! but as previously mentioned, if eating an apple is a penalty offence, then smoking is much worse surely? Mike |
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Here's another one..
How about having to change gear? You have to take one hand off the steering wheel so in effect you aren't in full control of your car - as well as having to muck about with your feet at the same time. So me having a sandwich or whatever in my auto is less dangerous as I've no gears to change and no pedals to swap my feet about on. ..go figure. (next they'll ban manual cars for that very reason. Three pedals.. two feet - hardly a safe combination ) Edited by Rhys |
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Nigel
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lol, you wouldn't want the actual legal one. That was "decoded" for us by one of the chaps from TA. A lot of this driving stuff is absolute tosh, and an attempt by a poor government to grab headlines and be seen to doing something to try and reduce deaths on the road, whilst they wont actually do whats needed as it will lose votes. In general I dissagree with much of the recent legislation, including the mobile phone one, and I can give you examples where recieving or making a call on my mobile is as good as a break. Whenever you pick on a particular activity, smoking, mobile phones, eating, drinking (all of which as a so called advanced driver I have done / still do) you are failing to look at the overall picture. Just as a small soundbite, I think your attitude towards driving will make up a lot of the skill needed to be so called "advanced"
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Hardly a legal term is it |
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i am not whinging as such, i just feel (as a non smoker) that everyone jumps upon mobile phone users (and rightly so when hands free is so cheap these days)
and smokers seem to get no press attention anyone remember that story years ago where it got all blown out of proportion when a woman was "apparently" persued buy a police heicopter for eating an apple whislt driving (i know this was ridiculous and all expanded upon by the media........bless them) but all the same, what differece was it too the millions of people applying thier lippy in the rear view mirror or lighting a tab on thier way to work, not much, and yet it caries a very similar distractance rate as eating/talking on a mobile?? |
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Throwing it out of the car littering the verge is illegal, and to be honest so is smoking it if it can be shown that doing so is affecting your driving :
see it mentions smoking....so stop whinging |
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billgates e30
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i'm not allowed to talk on my pohne in the car
i'm not allowed to eat an apple or have my macdonalds drink to mouth and get fined etc and yet i can pick up a pack of fags, get one out, find my lighter, light up, constantly drive with one hand on the wheel as i deliver a cancer stick to my mouth, and then trow it out of the window littering the verge and yet, this is not illegal |
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As a smoker who works in Scotland, but lives in England, and drives between both....I reckon that the DMZ zone on the border, a 40ft piece of land, is a good place to stop in future. Strictly speaking, the law can't be applied there. |
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dryle
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we were in paris many moons ago and went into a restaurant no non smoking section in there but there was no problem with it affecting us the ventilation must have been good and the ceiling was about 20ft high. now however with the rug rats we would probably avoid these places to prevent the sprogs being affected. the vitners federation wanted to allow for better ventilation systems within the bars to prevent the smoking ban but it was quashed because the publicans stingy that they are would not turn on the ventilation system to save on running costs. another plus for not going ahead with the "improved ventilation system is that most publicans would only install an extract system and with no proper means of make up air only through doors and windows which in mid winter would be closed to keep the cold out the ventilation system is damn all use. if they installed a correct system with proper supply vent to offset the extract then they would have to increase their boiler plant to heat the fresh air and propably install a chiller to cool during summer as there is a lot of air required to offset the smoking, this would increase the levels of CO2 emissions from such places, there are guidelines in CIBSE but they were not being adhered to by designers as publicans did not want to spend the money. ihtssl in relation to stadiums they should allow smoking if people want to as the law stipulates either no roof or 50% free wall, if you look at stadiums they comply with both in a way. bring a pocket fan and the next time you are at a match and someone lights up in front of you switch on the fan and that will blow the smoke out of your way. Edited by dryle |
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Regarding the smoking in public places - i really wish some other European countries would catch up a bit! Had a mini break in Berlin couple of weeks ago and went to really nice restaurant for a meal, it was packed with every table full and yes, two guys decided to light up and smoke cigars right in the middle while loads of us were eating! disgusting! and despite complaints just got a shrug of the shoulders, was so cold as well there were no windows etc open for ventilation, yuk! Went to see a game at the Nou Camp last october and an old bloke sitting right in front of us decided to smoke a cigar in the middle of the match, great!! could hardly see the bloody footie for the smoke!! Hope they do make a few changes in these places cos it's a mighty shock to have to put up with it when we've got used to how things are over here! |
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dryle
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with regard to childerns becoming overweight there are two side to look at it
in relation to parents smoking in front of their childern well that is despicable as they see the parents smoking and think it is ok. my father was gven a year to live before i was born as they took one lung out and told him to stop smoking, he didnt but lived until i was 11, they didnt tell him if he kept smoking he would die because telling him that probably would have killed him |
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Dave Ryle
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If you are going to start punishing parents for doing things that may harm their childrens health you would have to do the same to parents who let their children become over weight etc. At the end of the day you can't enforce good parenting. I don't like it when I see parents smoking all over their kids in cars so in principle I would agree with you but in practive it would be a slippery slope to a total nanny state. Edited by Peter Fenwick |
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One law for us one law for them...
A bit excessive IMO. They don't have Drink drive inspectsors and I bet that kills a lot more people than passive smoking.
I not a fan of smoking but I agree it is going a little bit too far now.
Careful Nigel, you wouldn't want to end up in trouble with the law...
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I only smoke in other peoples cars but, not my own.. |
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Nigel
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The first place I encountered this non smoking crap was Canada, in the early 90's. I remember that for some reason my flight was changed from BA to Air Canada or whatever, my ticket still said business class smoking, and after take off, once the lights went out, I lit up....trolley dollies appeared from everywhere....it was the first and last time I've ever used that airline, although your banned on all flights now except the airlines where the planes don't have mot's. I had the same experience in the first bar I went to in Toronto. I've been spoken to in the states for smoking whilst walking within 20 yards of a public building, in some states you can smoke whilst driving but you can't light it !, and I think it was Sweeden, years ago I was pulled by a traffic cop, over there you can't smoke in the front of a car in case the red end reflects in the windscreen and confuses the driver....even if you are the driver and promise not to be confused by it The smoking ban is in active in Scotland, Wales next month, and England in July.....but its just been overturned in the EU parliament....because they wouldn't stick to it. It will also still be allowed in the house of commons. It has been reported on radio four that English councils are spending 20,000,000 on inspectors. Its getting out of hand, but I'll still be smoking at work, and I'll continue to smoke in my car...regardless.
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dryle
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it was a near total ban < =text/>Bureau of Tobacco ControlSmoke-Free Air Act of 2002The Smoke Free Air Act (SFAA) of 2002 protects the health of New York City workers against the harmful effects of second-hand smoke by making virtually all workplaces smoke-free. |
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Dave Ryle
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