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Seems like Timo Glock (although accepting the decision) disputes the stewards decision on him
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4126227,00.html

It really does now seem like there is a Ferrari bias within the FIA
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I think the FIA need to make a clear explaination of why they have penalised Hamilton

What a kerfuffle!

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Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

He was given a "Drive-through-Penalty"

The regs state that if this is type of penalty is applied during the last 5 (or 3, doesn't matter really) laps of a race, then it will be converted into a time penalty to be applied to the overall race time.

The regs also state that it is not possible to appeal a drive-through.

So, I'm not sure on what grounds McLaren can appeal - but good luck to them anyway.

I've just checked the regs - (for all you other sado's  here you go) http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/475632E46002BEDAC12 5744F004312F4/$FILE/F1.SPORTING.REGULATIONS.19-05-2008.pdf

it's 5 laps (16.3), but TBH I can't find the "can't appeal" bit, but thats what i've heard.

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Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

Update: McLaren are going to appeal the stewards decision.

Whilst I agree that the penalty applied was totally wrong, there is a bit of problem with an appeal.

He was given a "Drive-through-Penalty"

The regs state that if this is type of penalty is applied during the last 5 (or 3, doesn't matter really) laps of a race, then it will be converted into a time penalty to be applied to the overall race time.

The regs also state that it is not possible to appeal a drive-through.

So, I'm not sure on what grounds McLaren can appeal - but good luck to them anyway.

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Update: McLaren are going to appeal the stewards decision.
Apparently they twice got confirmation from race control that the pass was fine before the race ended!
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What an excellent race! exciting, unpredictable and probably one of the best I've seen in years.
Shame it is to be marred by a stupid FIA decision, where now FIA?
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Raikonnen minus 14 points again for the 2nd race on the run. He's lost the plot. At this rate Simon is going to beat me

If you look at the individual points table the most consistent and top scoring driver is Heidfeld. Quite suprising. Never qualifies well but always seems to gain a lot of places in the race. Suppose thats the way this league works though. The likes of Hamilton and Massa are never going to score particularly well as they generally qualify at the top so can never gain places.

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I agree - no justification for it!
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It is a f***ing disgrace! Hamilton clearly did what he had to do in order to allow Kimi to retake the place. OK, he didn't do any more than what he had to to but, so what, this is racing.

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if only he drove a Ferrari!

"Lewis Hamilton has had his Belgian Grand Prix victory overturned by the stewards, handing the win to title rival Felipe Massa, who finished second on the road.

Hamilton was given a 25-second penalty for cutting the Bus Stop chicane during his wheel-to-wheel battle for the lead with Kimi Raikkonen during the closing laps.

With 25 seconds added to his race time, Hamilton has dropped to third in the classification behind BMW Sauber’s Nick Heidfeld.

The decision brings about a four-point swing in Massa's favour in the championship standings, reducing Hamilton's lead from eight to four points."
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Provisional Belgian Grand Prix result (44 laps)

1.  HAMILTON      McLaren

2.  MASSA         Ferrari       +14.4s

3.  HEIDFELD      BMW           +23.8s

4.  ALONSO        Renault       +28.9s

5.  VETTEL        Toro Rosso    +29.0s

6.  KUBICA        BMW           +29.4s

7.  BOURDAIS      Toro Rosso    +31.1s

8.  WEBBER        Red Bull      +57.2s

9.  GLOCK         Toyota        +56.5s+25secs

10. KOVALAINEN    McLaren       +1 lap

11. COULTHARD     Red Bull      +1 lap

12. ROSBERG       Williams      +1 lap

13. SUTIL         Force India   +1 lap

14. NAKAJIMA      Williams      +1 lap

15. BUTTON        Honda         +1 lap

16. TRULLI        Toyota        +1 lap

17. FISICHELLA    Force India   +1 lap

R.  RAIKKONEN     Ferrari       +1 lap

R.  BARRICHELLO   Honda         +25 laps

R.  PIQUET        Renault       +31 laps

 

update "Stewards in Belgium have handed Toyota’s Timo Glock a 25-second time penalty for overtaking under yellow flags during Sunday’s race. The ruling means Glock, who had finished in eighth, has been reclassified in ninth.
Glock is understood to have passed Red Bull’s Mark Webber during the final moments of the Belgian Grand Prix, even though yellow flags were being waved following Kimi Raikkonen’s accident in the Ferrari.
As a result of the penalty Webber is promoted to eighth and scores one point for Red Bull"

the results are still provisional though, pending outcome of..."Lewis Hamilton and Kimi Raikkonen have been put under investigation by Belgian Grand Prix stewards following their wheel-to-wheel battle in the chaotic closing laps at Spa"



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    phew, good old SPA....

    Lewis Hamilton moved closer to his world championship dream with a dramatic victory at Spa following an extraordinary finish to the Belgian Grand Prix.The McLaren driver was closing up on long-time race leader Kimi Raikkonen in the closing laps of the race when a rain shower caused havoc with two laps remaining.With Hamilton looking far more comfortable in the increasingly slippery conditions, he passed his Ferrari rival at La Source on the penultimate lap but lost the lead just a few corners later when he slid off the road.However Raikkonen almost immediately spun again and then got totally out of shape in the run down to the final chicane – crashing into the wall leaving his championship defence in ruins.

     

    Hamilton tiptoed around the final lap to seal an amazing victory to increase his championship advantage to eight points, with Ferrari's Felipe Massa doing the same to come through in second place after a race in which he failed to match his chief rivals.Behind their was further chaos,

    with Nick Heidfeld moving up from ninth to the final podium position in third after gambling on switching to intermediate tyres.Fernando Alonso did likewise and came home fourth – where he had spent most of the race – demoting Toro Rosso’s Sebastian Vettel to fifth on the final corner.

    The second BMW of Robert Kubica was sixth, ahead of the other STR of Sebastien Bourdais and Toyota's Timo Glock.



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    Belgian Grand Prix free practice session 2 times

    1.  ALONSO        Renault       1m48.454s

    2.  MASSA         Ferrari       1m48.504s

    3.  KOVALAINEN    McLaren       1m48.740s

    4.  HAMILTON      McLaren       1m48.805s

    5.  RAIKKONEN     Ferrari       1m49.328s

    6.  ROSBERG       Williams      1m49.405s

    7.  VETTEL        Toro Rosso    1m49.427s

    8.  SUTIL         Force India   1m49.585s

    9.  TRULLI        Toyota        1m49.715s

    10. HEIDFELD      BMW           1m49.725s

    11. KUBICA        BMW           1m49.875s

    12. COULTHARD     Red Bull      1m49.922s

    13. BOURDAIS      Toro Rosso    1m49.948s

    14. GLOCK         Toyota        1m50.281s

    15. NAKAJIMA      Williams      1m50.364s

    16. FISICHELLA    Force India   1m50.740s

    17. BUTTON        Honda         1m50.925s

    18. BARRICHELLO   Honda         1m51.238s

    19. PIQUET        Renault       1m51.334s

    20. WEBBER        Red Bull      1m51.640s

     

    Belgian Grand Prix free practice session 3 times

    1.  HEIDFELD      BMW         1m47.876s

    2.  KOVALAINEN    McLaren     1m48.165s

    3.  ALONSO        Renault     1m48.307s

    4.  HAMILTON      McLaren     1m48.356s

    5.  MASSA         Ferrari     1m48.692s

    6.  VETTEL        Toro Rosso  1m48.768s

    7.  RAIKKONEN     Ferrari     1m48.815s

    8.  ROSBERG       Williams    1m48.836s

    9.  PIQUET        Renault     1m48.946s

    10. WEBBER        Red Bull    1m49.054s

    11. TRULLI        Toyota      1m49.057s

    12. COULTHARD     Red Bull    1m49.125s

    13. KUBICA        BMW         1m49.250s

    14. BOURDAIS      Toro Rosso  1m49.256s

    15. GLOCK         Toyota      1m49.535s

    16. NAKAJIMA      Williams    1m49.830s

    17. FISICHELLA    Force India 1m49.949s

    18. SUTIL         Force India 1m50.034s

    19. BARRICHELLO   Honda       1m50.061s

    20. BUTTON        Honda       No time

     

    Starting grid for the Belgian GP

    1.  HAMILTON        McLaren

    2.  MASSA           Ferrari

    3.  KOVALAINEN      McLaren

    4.  RAIKKONEN       Ferrari

    5.  HEIDFELD        BMW

    6.  ALONSO          Renault

    7.  WEBBER          Red Bull

    8.  KUBICA          BMW

    9.  BOURDAIS        Toro Rosso

    10. VETTEL          Toro Rosso

    11. TRULLI          Toyota

    12. PIQUET          Renault

    13. GLOCK           Toyota

    14. COULTHARD       Red Bull

    15. ROSBERG         Williams

    16. BARRICHELLO     Honda

    17. BUTTON          Honda

    18. SUTIL           Force India

    19. NAKAJIMA        Williams

    20. FISICHELLA      Force India

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    ^^^^^^^^PaulG1991, top of page 13.

    I don't think so as his team was entered late in the league as a whole not just the BB mini league.


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    Belgian Grand Prix free practice session 1 times

    1.  MASSA          Ferrar i       1m47.284s
    2.  RAIKKONEN     Ferrari       1m47.623s
    3.  HAMILTON      McLaren       1m47.878s
    4.  KOVALAINEN    McLaren       1m47.932s
    5.  ALONSO        Renault       1m48.104s
    6.  WEBBER        Red Bull      1m48.428s
    7.  BOURDAIS      Toro Rosso    1m48.557s
    8.  VETTEL         Toro Ro sso    1m48.958s
    9.  GLOCK         Toyota        1m48.997s
    10. PIQUET        Renault       1m49.068s
    11. KUBICA        BMW           1m49.139s
    12. HEIDFELD      BMW           1m49.185s
    13. ROSBERG       Williams      1m49.611s
    14. TRULLI        Toyota        1m49.625s
    15. COULTHARD     Red Bull      1m49.849s
    16. FISICHELLA    Force India   1m49.986s
    17. SUTIL         Force India   1m50.117s
    18. NAKAJIMA      Williams      1m50.125s
    19. BUTTON        Honda         1m50.464s
    20. BARRICHELLO   Honda         1 m50.905s

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    ^^^^^^^^PaulG1991, top of page 13.

    I don't think so as his team was entered late in the league as a whole not just the BB mini league.



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