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W4YNE
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I belive it is my mate had a 318is and he put it into bavarian auto's in aberdeen and they said they only replaced them with the M bush as it is a much stronger bush.
give me a couple of weeks and al tell you, away to get mine back on the road and funny enough I need two off them, wonder if the hill roads (tar only) would have somthin to do with that ? |
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jimf671
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A different Rear Trailing Arm Bush is listed for the M3. It has the same bracket in the body but a different trailing arm.
Is this bush a straight swap? The same fit but a better bush? |
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Routinely driving through an area with a typical rainfall of 2800mm (110 inches) per year. Wet is normal. Surface water is normal. Sometimes expected to 'make reasonable progress' on this route. |
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UweM3
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can I just ask one question please?
why do you want to drive through puddles with 160km/h???? |
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jimf671
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Those spacers can be bought ready made in a series of different sizes. I can't remember where I saw them. Certainly available in the USA but I have seen UK references to them as well.
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W4YNE
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GLAD I COULD HELP YOUR MAD PLANS
Still not sure how they will work in the 318 it only bein a 4 pot obviously alot lighter engine. And i did like that camber trick we spoke about is there any where local that sells the spacer or is it a home fabricate?? |
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jimf671
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I have bought 4 springs and a pair of struts from Wayne.
After looking up the part numbers on the Sachs-Boge website, it turns out that the front springs and struts are from a late model E36 6-cylinder M-Tech. Good result! Once I fit the stuff, I shall measure everything and note the sizes and marking of the springs on here. |
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jimf671
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Checklist, courtesy of MBW1.
-Bilstein B4 shocks Probably. Rear soon. Good quality dampers are undoubtedly key to a good result. -Four new standard springs Will start with 6-cyl front spring spec. Keep standard at rear at first. -New rear trailing arm bushes Probably a good idea. Will have a look at these at the next opportunity. -E30 front wishbones Done. Good mod. I can feel the road. -M3 offset bushes. Done. Very good mod! Wonderful turn-in response. -318iS anti roll bars The 318 bar is massive. I would be surprised if the iS was any different. ------------------ -195 tyre Worthwhile. ------------------ -Front offset Anyone know of a way of making a small increase in offset on these cars without going to spacers? ------------------ (Rear right brake adjuster not behaving, so that is taking up far too much time at the moment. Will probably need new parts. An then there was that massive rock that was hidden in the snow on Sunday: oops.) Edited by jimf671 |
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JimF
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jimf671
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E30 arms and M3 bushes done. 138 pounds.
I didn't bother with all the usual faffing about with fancy gear and fancy procedures fitting the bushes. Measured and photographed the position of the lollipops/brackets on the originals. Cold chisel for bush removal. Bushes in freezer and lollipops in the oven while I had my lunch then bang them in with a big hammer. Pre-fitted the bushes in accordance with the measurements and fitted the whole assembly in a couple of minutes a side. Nipped up all the fasteners and then put it on its wheels before torquing everything. Sod lying in the snow, on a slope, wrestling with those things for a game of whatever. Painted everything as I went along. Looking neat. Toe angle has not changed. |
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Stop calling me names. (lol) Edited by jimf671 |
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AndyS
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Something along those lines I guess. He's trying to make it handle like a Hillman Imp. Power Jim, just 'cos you have it doesn't mean you have to use all of it. It's part of what's called car control. All the suspension kit on sale doesn't mean it makes the car any better, just different. As an "experienced" mechanic of your age should know. |
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W4YNE
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from what i can make sence of so far??????
you want standard hight stiff as sh*t suspension ?? ABS you want to be able to lock up the front (to rock the arse round) as for the mega skinny's, they lose traction (spin at the rear easier)when the front of the car nose dives during short skid due to no abs then, front to cut in better (less under steer)once you let of the brakes wieght transfer ??????????????? would welding the diff not be easier it is only a 1.8 POWER 325i or more! you will know the lecht, goin up the hill sittin away at 80 in forth gear plant the foot and she climbs up over the tone, in a 318 you need to drop a gear to even climb |
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kbannon
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Are you not already paying enough on insurance?
As for the ABS and safety (possibly not the best source but you can disprove it if you wish!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system#Effica cy |
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jimf671
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This is one of the finest chassis still on the road and yet there is a monster-sized market for suspension parts alone. Just look around this forum. It now looks like nearly everything done this year will use a BMW standard E36 spec of some kind: and some thought and calculation. And what's this about power. What do I need it for? |
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JimF
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The intention is to submit a modified vehicle report. It is no secret that some police traffic departments have done the same thing and switched off ABS so I am not expecting trouble from that quarter. Also, a major body of evidence now exists for Risk Homeostasis with ABS, so there is no overall safety advantage. I respect the truth told to me by a free-rolling wheel connected to my hands without interference. "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, ..." |
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Peter Fenwick
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and pull the fuses on the ABS. Just make sure you don't have a crash that you don't walk away from then. If your insurance company discovered you had done this they would not pay out on your policy. On top of this the Police might be interested in speaking to you |
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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.
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AndyS
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Jim, you seem completely unaware of tyre developments since the 1960's. You are also under the impression that every other development in car design since then is marketing spin. It isn't. In rallying, drivers have known what was around the next corner since the 60's thanks to co-driver's with O/S maps. This is where you seemed to be firmly stuck with your rose tinted glasses. There's a huge difference between shoddily designed cars of the 60's and modern machines. You just don't need to rip them apart & modify everything, it will all work out of the box. Why don't you actually try driving your 318 instead of making oblique references to your engineering skills (such as sawing one coil off your springs ) & knocking BMW design as "marketing". Since you don't think anything more powerful than a 318 can hack it on Mickey Mouse roads you'll find the cars capabilities in standard form to be well in excess of your needs. After all, the chassis was designed to cope with 200bhp in standard form & over 300bhp with a few tweaks. Almost anything you do to the car will have a negative effect. Just accept that BMW design engineers know more than you do. You don't need to change anything & can keep your money for fine scotch or whatever. Edited by AndyS |
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jimf671
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Physical laws are unaffected by the passage of time, unlike marketing.
Not recently, but then there hasn't been much rallying recently. Rallying is when you dont know what's round the next corner: that affects the way the vehicle is set up and what tyres you need.
Not with me they didn't. That is because I read the manufacturers instructions and used the correct coolant and the correct fuel instead of the plain water and 2-star that everyone else used. Thirty five and half pence a gallon for 5-star: those were the days. |
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AndyS
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Who's talking wide tyres? It's been more than 20 years since a 205 section tyre was classed as wide. As for 'perfect paving & blue skies', I guess you havent seen the rest of the UK.
Obviously. A tarmac road is still a tarmac road irrespective of which side of the border it's on. Some are better laid and/or in a better state of repair than others but the same rules of physics apply. More grip is better. Sure, very low profile tyres don't like potholes but then you don't need them since you're only dealing with 115bhp not 300bhp. Since you mention rally cars - ever seen a rally car in tarmac trim? Are they on skinny tyres? No. they're lowered, stiffened & with as much wide wheels & rubber as the regs will allow.
The key word here is once & that was a very long time ago. Useless as a road car since it would overheat at every opportunity. Compromised because the chassis design couldn't handle the power of a lawn mower let alone the souped up fire water pump they stuck in it's backside. The Mini may have had a geriatric motor but at least it went round corners rather well (in standard form too). |
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jimf671
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Wide tyres are for racing cars. On road cars they have a place in countries with perfect paving and blue skies but elsewhere they are as much a marketing exercise as anything else. I'm a truck and rally guy so my understanding of power and traction may be different from that of others.
[Compromised design: that once held every single prod saloon and mod saloon lap record in its class at every UK race circuit as well as being a successful rally car. "Strength of a works Escort and the traction of an Alpine-Renault."] Edited by jimf671 |
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