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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-December-2004 at 18:12

you posting the one for your M3 engine then?

I do actually want to see it.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2004 at 03:41

I`ll keep people waiting for a while.

Its nice when they always seem to think the claims are wrong.

Just like everyone who disbelieved the 2.7 results even though 30 people were there at the time.

I will be attending the next rolling road shootout with the cab to again prove a point ;)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2004 at 04:22

I've been following this thread for a bit now - Jaynee some of ye are like terriers going after documented proof of this 300+bhp Escort! Sure why would the guy lie, and if he did, so what? You'll get big power out of any engine - it's all a compromise between outright power, driveability and longivity.

An extreme example I know, but the 1.5 turbo F1 cars put out over 1,000bhp in race trim and 1,300bhp+ in qualifying (coining the term 'grenade engines'). Because of the revs involved and the limitations with firing and valve spring technology at the time, standard 4 stroke engine cycles went a bit out the window and they were having crazy things like partial combustion during exhaust strokes etc etc.

Honda were obtaining 160bhp out of their normally aspirated 1.6 V-tec road engines in 1988, whilst satifying all economy and reliability goals they set. So to summarise I believe you, Chippeduk; it's not like people haven't got 300bhp out of a 1.6 before. Whether 300bhp through the front wheels of a mid '80's Escort is actually a truly enjoyable and dynamically balanced experience over varied fast road driving conditions is another thing, but I bet it's a good laugh if nowt else! All you need now is to graft RWD onto it somehow - oh yeah, ya have a 370bhp E30 so why bother!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2004 at 04:26
And just to avoid any abiguity, I know your's is a 2.1 not a 1.6!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2004 at 06:47
Originally posted by T.J. T.J. wrote:

I've been following this thread for a bit now - Jaynee some of ye are like terriers going after documented proof of this 300+bhp Escort! Sure why would the guy lie, and if he did, so what?

Im with TJ, touch agressive at times some of these posts...

Am I right in thinking theres a number of nigh on(claimed) 300BHP RST's kicking about, I dont think its ground breaking.....

ill accept I could be wrong though!

As for dyno printouts, they can all very in appearence and the information given on them, even by the same dyno shop

All my bike graphs have the minimum of info on them, the last one I had done read "Bryan GSX13" as a footnote...the one previous to that had all the info on it, same dyno shop too..

 

 

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2004 at 06:50

there are loads of them nowadays.

i would say at least 20 around at the mo.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2004 at 06:59

300bhp is easy to get from a tubo'd zetec, not sure why everybody has doubted it, you just need to throw cash in the right places, it's not an art like tuning a big V8, thats an art.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2004 at 07:19

Talking about spending lots a money on performance, my previous car was a Rover coupe turbo and was 197bhp as std.

The same engine was dropped in a Maestro but tuned to 418bhp with well over 300 lbs of torque!!  I think now the figure is higher.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2004 at 08:19

I remember reading an article in Fast car magazine several years ago about tuned escort RSTs. In fact I'm sure the one chipped UK showed in the pic was featured. They were trying to find the fastest RST in the country and all the big Ford tuners were there.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2004 at 08:28

thats the feature,

i came top.

the only one where i lost a section point was top speed and that was by jason cull who had a 1.8 ZVH which i had also built.

mine did 154gps and his did 156gps proven.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2004 at 08:38

Yes, I remember the 156mph top speed.

156 in a mk4 escort. Now thats got to be scary!

I also remember that the cars with the highest top end weren't the fastest to 60mph.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2004 at 08:45

no, i got 7.1 0-60 on that day, jason got 7.2 (ish)

the quickest too 60 was a race car that just broke 7 seconds although he broke hid driveshaft in half on the second run and that was the end of that.

to be honest, none of the times were spectacular and the conditions were almost perfect.

we did a standing start where i races a scooby which was modded and it whooped me then from a rolling start and i whooped it (from 30mph over half mile)

jason ran against a rally prepped imprezza and destroyed it around brunters but he was up against a novice but jason is an established cart driver. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2004 at 08:56

Still nice looking cars in unabused form, i had a MK2 RST myself...

Id feel a prat driving one now though...Not a "grown ups" car..300BHP+ or not..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-December-2004 at 09:03

Like i said earlier, to be truthfull it was a piece if crap, it didnt drive nice and the torque stear was horrid.

mind you, it was made in france so what do you expect

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2004 at 07:33
Originally posted by paul325i paul325i wrote:

300bhp is easy to get from a tubo'd zetec, not sure why everybody has doubted it, you just need to throw cash in the right places, it's not an art like tuning a big V8, thats an art.

HI paul i never said i was doubting the guys honesty i would of just liked to have seen a rolling rd graft of it ,just like you have asked for regarding his bmw,after all this is a car enthusiast site is it not.

I did feel however the guys reply,ie (i like to keep everyone hanging on ect) was maybe a bit odd.

I even belive i said in one of the threads if he had a 300bhp rst good on him.

Still think that much power going through the front wheels is a waste though..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2004 at 11:00
Originally posted by b8alk b8alk wrote:

Originally posted by paul325i paul325i wrote:

300bhp is easy to get from a tubo'd zetec, not sure why everybody has doubted it, you just need to throw cash in the right places, it's not an art like tuning a big V8, thats an art.

HI paul i never said i was doubting the guys honesty i would of just liked to have seen a rolling rd graft of it ,just like you have asked for regarding his bmw,after all this is a car enthusiast site is it not.

I did feel however the guys reply,ie (i like to keep everyone hanging on ect) was maybe a bit odd.

I even belive i said in one of the threads if he had a 300bhp rst good on him.

Still think that much power going through the front wheels is a waste though..

Yeah if i had 358bhp from an N/A m3 engine i'd want to prove it.

And you're right, car enthusiast site so we should be able to quiz people



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2004 at 11:06

i`m always up for that but the fact is, your word spreads like wild fire so me posting a rolling road run (i dont actually have one on print) would be pointless as it could of been copied from the net using a different car.

What will happen is that at the next rolling road day in february attended by the e30zone members i will put the car on the rollers and come top (hopefully)

Just like last time, and the time before.

If i remember rightly, even the m3`s were left trailing.

Mind you, i read the emails going round afterwards saying i most likely bribed the rolling road operator to give me a higher reading even though 30 of your own forums members were present ;)

Makes me chuckle.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2004 at 12:02
Originally posted by chippeduk chippeduk wrote:

i`m always up for that but the fact is, your word spreads like wild fire so me posting a rolling road run (i dont actually have one on print) would be pointless as it could of been copied from the net using a different car.

What will happen is that at the next rolling road day in february attended by the e30zone members i will put the car on the rollers and come top (hopefully)

Just like last time, and the time before.

If i remember rightly, even the m3`s were left trailing.

Mind you, i read the emails going round afterwards saying i most likely bribed the rolling road operator to give me a higher reading even though 30 of your own forums members were present ;)

Makes me chuckle.

I never heard about the bribing, tsk tsk that would have been naughty indeed, as would running it on a super high octane fuel and timing accordingly.

To be fair on the M3s they were stock or lightly modded weren't they? E30 M3 is not renowned for its massive power outputs in stock form, especially against a highly modded 2.7 litre straight six!

You had a rolling road session but didn't take the print out! Some might look back and think "darn i wish i'd taken that print out"



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2004 at 12:39

no, i did take the printout, i showed it on your forum.

as for fueling, i only tols sal about that so now i know the leak

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