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Rhys
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Posted: 25-January-2005 at 19:59 |
Oh dear, do as I say, not as I do..
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skull
Really Senior Member II Joined: 20-April-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 640 |
Posted: 26-January-2005 at 09:16 |
any news of what the topic started with ?
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just a little crazy.
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 26-January-2005 at 09:52 |
Yes, I am interested to here how this progresses. |
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stephenperry
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 20-April-2004 Location: Elgin Status: Offline Points: 7213 |
Posted: 26-January-2005 at 14:52 |
GATSO MAN PLANS TO FIGHT ONFriday 14th January David Edgar's legal battle against over-reading cameras rumbles on David Edgar, the man who intends to prove that Gatso scameras over-read and therefore help convict the innocent, has reiterated his commitment to continue the fight against what he described as 'the old boy network'. He said that since they had refused to communicate with him, he would not be attending the court hearing, which was due yesterday but, if they convicted him in his absence, he would take it to appeal. However, sources suggest that this may not be the full story, as the charge against Edgar was not, say sources, speeding but failure to disclose the driver. In other words, Edgar has received a notice of intent to prosecute (NIP) but has not responded. The Crown Prosecution Service has consequently ruled that the Gatso evidence is not relevant to the case until the matter of who was driving has been determined. Nonetheless, Edgar's statement, posted on another forum, is below: Since launching this legal counter attack on the Gatso speed camera I have received an enormous amount of mail supporting my stand against the unfair and unjust exploitation of law abiding motorists, the Internet campaign groups have also rallied round and supported my efforts, so too have the national press and TV who have beat a path to my door for what is now becoming a very big story, I have also received a number of emails warning me of the evil empire who will do anything to protect its money grabbing scam, they were not wrong...... "As predicted the old boy network have attempted to deny my legal challenge to the accuracy of the Gatso speed camera by totally ignoring my formal request for a full day in Court, this being made last November, they have deliberately remained silent about the fact that they knew all along that they had only allowed two hours for a very technical and complex trial. "Fortunately an investigative journalist alerted me to this fact yesterday following his conversation with the Listing Office, I then immediately contacted the Listings Office and confirmed the same, I also made it clear that this was totally unacceptable and I would immediately apply for an adjournment. "Having made such a formal Application to the Birmingham Magistrates' Court yesterday afternoon I have to report that they have totally ignored the same therefore I have since written to the Court informing them that I will not be attending the Court tomorrow and warned them that if they proceed in my absence an immediate appeal will be made to the Crown Court. "Having received such an immense amount of support from the hundreds of decent people out there I felt it only right and fair to inform each and every one of them of the current situation and encourage them not to despair or give up, because I never will, this is only the beginning but I believe it will be the beginning of the end for the Gatso speed camera. "The fight will continue...." Previous story: www.pistonheads.com/speed/default.asp?storyId=9689 |
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rubberknees50
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Posted: 31-January-2005 at 19:05 |
Sympathy for any campaign against pointless Gatsos but think this will go the way of the "apple" case! The establishment can't afford to lose. IanT
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Nigel
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Posted: 31-January-2005 at 19:16 |
I'm afraid I think your correct Ian, I contacted the home office regarding phone masts being considered dangerous whilst operating at I.8 GHz when well up in the air, yet gatso's are regarded as safe, don't need planning permission etc, yet operate at 33 - 36 GHz at head height, outside schools houses etc. I received a strange call back, and just cant get any answers. |
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Best Wishes
Nigel |
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rubberknees50
Really Senior Member II Does it have chrome bumpers? Joined: 26-July-2004 Location: Telford, Shropshire Status: Offline Points: 1074 |
Posted: 31-January-2005 at 19:21 |
Sadly a lot of the persecution motorists get hit with by government isn't going to change, whatever party gets in. Did have a find locally though, leaded petrol available at one garage nearby, 1.10p a litre but that hasn't changed since they took delivery a year ago. May give my fleet a treat! Oh, strange call not me this time Nigel, honest! |
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IanT
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stephenperry
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 20-April-2004 Location: Elgin Status: Offline Points: 7213 |
Posted: 04-March-2005 at 18:45 |
http://www.pistonheads.com/speed/default.asp?storyId=9990 GATSO MAN IS CONVICTEDFriday 4th March Peoples Hero David Edgar fails to show for court hearing Thousands of motorists were left fuming this week as David Edgar failed to attend his own trial for a speeding offence. PistonHeads reported in January this year on the retired electronics engineer and former professional inventor, who said he intended to prove that Gatso-based evidence was responsible for convicting thousands of innocent motorists because the speed cameras he investigated over-estimated motorists' speed by up to 25 per cent. See link below for full stories. Edgar, of Walsall, West Midlands, had previously been very vocal in the development of his defence against the so-called greed cameras, where he claims to have categorical proof that speed cameras may not be as accurate as the police claim they are. A source at Birmingham Magistrates Court stated that Edgar, who had previously had his case adjourned because of his non-attendance in January of this year, did actually come to court today. However, prior to his being called into the court, Edgar decided not to defend himself, and left before the case was heard. Edgars non-attendance meant the Court had to deal with the case in his absence, and returned the decision that he was guilty of failing to complete his Notice of Intended Prosecution technically referred to as a Section 172 Offence. Edgar was fined 150 plus 300 court costs, and his driving licence was suspended until such time as it was produced to the court for an endorsement of three penalty points. Simon Tonks, a local anti-speed camera campaigner said, This is bitterly disappointing; Mr. Edgar has let a lot of people down with his promises of proof. We were very hopeful that this case might shed some light on the speed camera schemes, as there have been fears for a long time that the implementation of speed cameras is less about road safety than it is about fining motorists. www.pistonheads.com/speed/default.asp?storyId=9689 |
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B 7 VP
Really Senior Member II Joined: 04-November-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1115 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 02:04 |
So he wasnt charged with speeding, but failure to provide details of the Driver.Section 172 .so he wasnt going to be allowed to blast the Gatso world apart, just the drivers info.So He lost, Justice --if you call it that was seen to be done. So if all is as Edgar says, he can know publish ALL his findings--and Every driver form now on can dispute their actual speeding charge. |
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Peter Fenwick
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 27-August-2003 Location: Lost somewhere in time... Status: Offline Points: 6484 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 06:03 |
It strikes me that if he had any conclusive evidence to support his case he would have presented it in court. I agree with Simon Tonks, he has let a lot of people down.
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Howard
Moderator Group Did I say thaaaat? Joined: 14-October-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 735 |
Posted: 21-March-2005 at 04:10 |
I received the following information this morning from one of the parties involved. Please read it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi I would like to draw your attention to the following posting on your forum: URL=http://www.bmwcarclubforum.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=133 63&get=last This posting reproduces a press release, originally carried on Pistonheads (who were acting in good faith). Unfortunately, the PR contains a quote falsely attributed to myself and also contains falsehoods about David Edgar and his ongoing case. The PR was clearly sent to Pistonheads by someone acting maliciously against myself and David Edgar. Pistonheads have issued an apology: http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?storyId=10061 David Edgar has clarified the situation on his website: http://www.notsoaccurate.com As I'm sure you can appreciate, this matter is of some concern to both myself and David Edgar. As with Pistonheads, I'm sure the message was posted in good faith, but I hope you will act appropriately and swiftly to clarify the matter, or remove the offending posting ASAP. All the best The Real Simon Tonks |
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B 7 VP
Really Senior Member II Joined: 04-November-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1115 |
Posted: 21-March-2005 at 04:49 |
Webmaster-Do you have absolute proof of this posters ID--OR will you be requiring ALL such communications in future, to be sent with a pre-arranged password.?? The Great support for Mr Edgar is, I am sure , still considerable but due to the events of this year, and the result of the Court hearing, the topic has now cooled. |
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